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By ObviousTroll (Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:25:37 AM EST) (all tags)
Your design feedback is requested.


Basically, I'm doing this for free, but the studio owner is a former salesman who strongly believes that websites should look like this...

The goals of the site are probably up for grabs - I see it as strengthening the student base by providing educational materials (which are only accessible to actual students) and information, he sees it more as a marketing tool....

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All websites should look like Click Here by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #1 Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:28:18 AM EST
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Apparently so. by ObviousTroll (2.00 / 0) #4 Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:39:50 AM EST
Or else a sea of rotating cubes.

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That logo is unreadable by wiredog (4.00 / 1) #2 Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:34:39 AM EST
Use a font that separates the letters. It looks like "AnenKick" or maybe "AneinKick" when I assume it's supposed to look like "AmeriKick".

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Unfortunately, it's not my logo. by ObviousTroll (2.00 / 0) #5 Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:41:03 AM EST
I agree with you, but it's the main logo for the chain. That's why I put the name in text, too.

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Make it smaller by wiredog (2.00 / 0) #9 Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:02:48 AM EST


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Good point. by ObviousTroll (2.00 / 0) #10 Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:05:21 AM EST
I'll play with that.


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Also, the two sites look utterly different by wiredog (4.00 / 1) #3 Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:36:40 AM EST
One is a flash based, with lots of motion, the other looks like slashdot about 5 years ago.

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looks like slashdot... by ObviousTroll (2.00 / 0) #7 Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:42:39 AM EST
Okay, so what should change?

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Other than the logo? by wiredog (2.00 / 0) #8 Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:01:51 AM EST
Maybe just clean it up a bit. The text on top of the greyed out image could go. Or, rather, the image could. Maybe make it less busy overall.

But then I much prefer the HuSi look. Clean, simple, easy to navigate.

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They're both shit. by debacle (4.00 / 1) #6 Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:42:06 AM EST
I think your web design skills make it evident that you participate in clown competitions.

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Thanks. by ObviousTroll (2.00 / 0) #11 Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:08:14 AM EST
I appreciate the affirmation.

Any shit in particular? Suggestions for improvement?


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red-on-black is bad by debacle (2.00 / 0) #15 Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:06:57 PM EST
also, what wiredog said. also, login and search on the right, archives and navigation on the left. Also, white text over a b/w image == bad.

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Bit cluttered by hulver (4.00 / 1) #12 Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:26:15 AM EST
But I couldn't tell you specifically what was wrong with it. Sorry.

As to the second one, kill it, kill it with fire.
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Hey, every opinion is worth a little. by ObviousTroll (2.00 / 0) #17 Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:53:57 PM EST
and I have a feeling that nfb is right - the biggest issue is the distracting photos. I think if I clean them up, the clutter will get a lot better.

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Looks sort of messy. by nightflameblue (4.00 / 1) #13 Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:42:05 AM EST
And assure the owner that his taste in web design is FUCKED. Websites are sort of marketing tools, but they're informational marketing tools, not visual. Or at least, that's the way they should be. People thinking they need to FLASHFLASHFLASH get people's attention seem to forget that you ALREADY got people's attention and that is WHY they went to your site. Overwhelm them, and in the clicky era, they'll just click that little X on top of the browser.

I would say fade the background pictures a little more and maybe somehow balance the text colors over those background images so that the text doesn't disappear into the black and white imagery behind up on top. Also, the subdivisions between the pictures and the subdivisions between the text not lining up really makes the eye go, "where, where again, where? WHAT AM I LOOKING AT?" I'd make the menu headers smaller, as the menu at the side seems to just eat up space. The logo up top may look better on a more stark background, but that may not work out.

And I'm sure anybody else interested in web design will tell you at least half of what I said is complete and utter crap. Because we all seem to have different ideas of what should and shouldn't go on on a web site.



No worries about differences of opinion.... by ObviousTroll (2.00 / 0) #14 Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:02:31 PM EST
I agree with you about the pictures across the top; I'm tempted to fade them to white instead of black and put them behind the logo, then push the calendar down into the body of the front page.

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Also, the page borders? by nightflameblue (2.00 / 0) #16 Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:16:02 PM EST
They seem a little unnecessarily complicated. Maybe the grey or the fade-to-black borders, not both?

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Believe it or not... by ObviousTroll (2.00 / 0) #19 Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:54:37 PM EST
I didn't know what you were talking about when you said the page edges faded to black and turned grey - I never opened my browser wide enough to see it until you mentioned it.

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Web design tip: by nightflameblue (4.00 / 1) #20 Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 07:43:31 AM EST
Always open your browser full screen, and then look at it shrunk down too.  You want to see how things compress, and you want to see what it looks like when full-screened because people browse in a lot of different ways.  Also, try as many browsers as you can get your hands on.  You'd be surprised how different it will look in different browsers sometimes.

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Random suggestions by ptyx (4.00 / 1) #18 Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 03:19:24 PM EST
Disclaimer: I'm far from a web site design specialist.

1. The logo is hard to read. I also find it ugly, but that's not the point. Some sharpening/unshading/contrasting would help to isolate the letters and make them decipherable.

I also don't like having the title twice, but I can't figure out a good solution - and agree that with the current logo there is no way around it.

  1. Header (special events, etc.) is also hard to read. Using image as a background is fine, but it can be much lighter (i.e. almost white) and still provide a visual cue that the header is a separate section from the rest of the page. A strong cue is not needed here as the transition from a 1 column layout to 2 columns is also obvious.
  2. Banners on the side look too much like posts headers. See husi as a good example: boxed gray vs. non boxed gray - subtle, but good enough to allow a reader to immediately build a map of the page. For your content, I'd suggest to reverse the Husi pattern and make menu headers less obvious (Husi gets away with more emphasis on navigation mostly because of the natural left to right reading direction).
  3. Navigation column font is HUGE. Main value of the site seems to be its second column, and I wouldn't expect the navigation column to see much use. Maybe reduce size/font size/use of emphasis (bold, etc.) so it doesn't distract from main content?
  4. Paging: I got a scrollbar already thank you very much. Paging is good to avoid kilometer longs pages, but yours are way too short. Consider most visitors will just run away if they can't get the information they're looking for on the first page .




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